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Probably need to compare this with Heidegger. Mohism 470–391 BC or so

Possibly Weber misinterpreted (or misremembered?) Tolstoy. The passage is in T's Confession. I will hunt it down eventually and add to this thread.

If I understand, Tolstoy claims that *life* is meaningless, and interrogating the sciences confirms this.
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For Kuhn, pre-paradigm investigation can progress without logic at all, just by investigating nature, in a Baconian fashion. It becomes paradigmatic science once people align on what is important. But what is the relationship between logic and science? twitter.com/bryankam/status/13

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I.e., that we "discover" logic rather than invent it, and mathematics and science are somehow derived from that discovery.

Whereas Schopenhauer thinks logic must be established in conversation, via trial and error, with selection for acceptability (I need to read @cdutilhnovaes@twitter.com)

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But is it really true that "science presupposes that the rules of logic and method are valid"? If so, which rules of logic specifically? This seems to me going in the direction that Hilbert and Russell were going in? Something like "logical realism" (not sure if that's a term)

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Found the Weber quote in Lynda Walsh's _Scientists as Prophet_ (2013).

I've yet to find where Weber finds this in Tolstoy (whose collected works are in 90 volumes iirc)

Here's Max Weber, "Science as a Vocation," in Essays in Sociology (1919):

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Weber: "That science does not give an answer to this is indisputable."

Seems to relate to Kuhn's point, that the paradigms which guide scientific progress must be decided at a level above scientific investigation itself twitter.com/bryankam/status/13

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Reminds me of Tolstoy's complaint, quoted by Max Weber in the lecture "Science as Vocation" (1917):

"Science is meaningless because it gives no answer to our question, the only question important for us:
'What shall we do and how shall we live?'"

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Timon of Phlius:

"Whoever wants to be happy must consider these three [questions]: first, how are pragmata '(ethical) matters, affairs, topics' by nature? Secondly, what attitude should we adopt towards them? Thirdly, what will be the outcome for those who have this attitude?"

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From Beckwith's Greek Buddha (2017), first chapter here: assets.press.princeton.edu/cha

I got interested in Timon of Phlius (320–235 BC) via Diogenes Laertius who quotes him in the Pyrrho of Elis section.

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