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Your characters realise they have been working for the bad guy all along.
@golgaloth So, as an American, I should feel some empathy with the average Cardassian? How messed up is it that out of allllll of the civilisations on ST, the CARDASSIANS ARE THE ONES MOST LIKE AMERICANS?!?
I need to have a lie down.
@InayaShujaat @golgaloth it's either them or the Ferengi. But let's be fair, *all* cultures and races seen on star trek are espies for *some* part of American culture and/or history.
Except the Federation, which is more like what Liberal America wants to believe it could be.
(edit: and of course is still a colonialist vision, just, you know, done right or something.)
@StrangeNoises @InayaShujaat @golgaloth the federation is like the EU and NATO. You can join if you want and get protection but need to allow free movement of people.
@mrt181 @StrangeNoises @InayaShujaat @golgaloth also people get the Spock eyebrow if they refuse to engage in free trade
@vodkaandOJ @golgaloth @mrt181 @StrangeNoises which is so much worse than the traditional Earth custom of slapping the wrist.
@mrt181 @StrangeNoises @InayaShujaat @golgaloth ??? Whats wrong with free movement of people .. people should be free ..
@Li @StrangeNoises @InayaShujaat @golgaloth nothing, it's great
@mrt181 @StrangeNoises @InayaShujaat @golgaloth then this post confuses the hell out of me
@mrt181 @StrangeNoises @InayaShujaat @golgaloth @cstross
Bit of a shaky analogy there, in that NATO membership has different conditions and EU membership isn't about military protection.
But, more importantly perhaps, given Una Chin-Riley and Data's trials, the Federation clearly lacks a ECHR equivalent.
Moreover it also clearly lacks a Médecins Sans Frontières equivalent, whose charter principles would conflict greatly with the Prime Directive.
@golgaloth huh, I thought that was about the US
Θ @Anke @golgaloth pretty sure it was
@Anke @golgaloth NGL, I thought they'd just misspelled Kardashian and it was about the US as well.
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@golgaloth I am American. I don't have to wonder.
@golgaloth I was sitting in my air-conditioned kitchen eating a popsicle after going to the nicely maintained outdoor public pool during this "heat wave" (actually: sneak preview of the rest of the century) and realized that all the nice things I had been enjoying wouldn't change significantly under a dictatorship. And that helped me understand why people who don't care about much beyond immediate comfort wouldn't care to act against fascism. I guess there's a lot of them.
Which is exactly why us, the people with privilege (because that's exactly what you just described) have to step up and fight fascist. If we don't, the people less fortunate than us don't stand a chance.
That's how it goes, for those that aren't directly enemy number one.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist...
@trurl @golgaloth except for the part where they show up at your place, disappear or suicide you and take your stuff.
@trurl @golgaloth Plus, instead of immediate comfort, for some people, it's closer to survival: if fascism brings down the price of groceries or gas, that's what people are going to support. The suffering of others is lower priority than personal suffering to the neurotypical majority (and in the US, the neurotypical white male "majority").
@golgaloth And they thought the joke was on natzis. https://youtu.be/uK-kWRAVmRU?si=9v2Mr3lc2kpXpXMl (That Mitchell and Webb Look - "Are We The Bad Guys")
@golgaloth that just means all the characters are americans :V
@golgaloth It did not resemble US.
"On Cardassia, the verdict is always known before the trial begins. And it's always the same."
"In that case, why bother with a trial at all?"
"Because the people demand it. They enjoy watching justice triumph over evil every time. They find it comforting." 
@Darberoom1954 @golgaloth so the US but with less pretending what their doing is okay
@Darberoom1954 @golgaloth
In the US most cases don’t get a trial — they are pressured to plead guilty “to a lesser charge” and do so
Then it’s the “land of the free“ — except the 13th Amendment explicitly preserves slavery in our prison system
And that’s why we have, by far, the most profitable prison industrial complex, with more people incarcerated, than any other country in the world
Once you lift the lid it’s hard to unsee
@golgaloth @baldur I have a long-running conversational thread with a friend/colleague, about how Cardassian justice as depicted in "Tribunal" (DS9 s2e25) is basically U.S. justice without the *pretense* to fairness.
@golgaloth I need to drink more coffee. I started reading this as if it were about Kim Kardashian and her family.
@benroyce @golgaloth I made the same mistake. But when I reread it, I realized i had already gotten the point.
@benroyce @j3b @golgaloth I don't know why, but about once a month the phrase "keeping up with the Cardassians" pops into my head
I don't know why
I haven't even watched this series yet
But hopefully it will have the same effect on you
@golgaloth I often mistake Cardassians for Kardashians
