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mgorny-nyan (he) :autism:🙀🚂🐧How packages with multiple build systems to choose from (either officially supported, or user-maintained) work:1. The package has a primary non-CMake build system. 2. A <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/CMake" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CMake</a> build system is added. 3. Random reverse dependencies start depending on CMake exports from given package. 4. Distributions start switching over to CMake. 5. CMake turns out to be broken (again) in the next release. 6. You don't know if you can switch back, because you have no clue if some of the reverse dependencies don't require CMake exports.<a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/packaging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#packaging</a> <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a>

Der Emil<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@jesterchen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@jesterchen@social.tchncs.de</a> Oh. Wirklich <a href="https://procial.tchncs.de/tags/Gentoo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a>?

jesterchen42K1 bekommt die Tage nen neuen PC für das tägliche Leben und zum Zocken. Einzige "Einschränkung": da wird nie im Leben Windoof drauf kommen. Ich habe gerade nach Wunsch-Distribution gefragz, und K1 sagte: "Ubuntu."Ich: "Wieso? Mach doch ma Districhooser."Tja. Jetzt überlegt K1, die beiden Top-Vorschläge zu testen: <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Arch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Arch</a> und <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a>. 😇

ShaiBuon compleanno, Gentoo! 🎉 🥳 Ecco la tua torta, vai avanti e compilatela da solo 😁 <a href="https://livellosegreto.it/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> <a href="https://livellosegreto.it/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a>

jeegerNot used <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gentoo</a> for nigh-on 5 years, and I still occasionally have to suppress the urge to type `eix-sync` instead of `apt update`.

NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:Nothing like trying to compile <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> packages and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows</a> Server 2003 using Windows 10 at the same time while listening to <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Lagtrain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Lagtrain</a>.It's kind of soothing watching it all come together.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/WindowsServer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WindowsServer</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/GentooLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GentooLinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Music" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Music</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tech</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Technology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Technology</a>

Benjamin Carr, Ph.D. 👨🏻‍💻🧬One of the <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> distributions we hear very little about in the industry for cloud/#VM usage is <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/GentooLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GentooLinux</a>. But that could change with the <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> project now putting out official <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/QCOW2" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#QCOW2</a> disk images to make it easier deploying this source-based Linux distribution within <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/virtualmachines" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#virtualmachines</a>. With these QCOW2 images, the XFS file-system is their preferred choice used for its copy-on-write, reflinks, and other features. <a href="https://www.phoronix.com/news/Gentoo-Linux-QCOW2-VMs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.phoronix.com/news/Gentoo-Linux-QCOW2-VMs</a>

Steve<a href="https://mastodon.social/@itsfoss" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@itsfoss</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gentoo</a> for me!

FurbyOnSteroidsIdk wtf I did, but whenever I update my <a href="https://ohai.social/tags/nixos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#nixos</a> it just compiles everything from source. I guess this is what it feels like to use <a href="https://ohai.social/tags/gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gentoo</a>. Update and don't do anything else because the update process takes 2 hours at close to 100% cpu usage <a href="https://ohai.social/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#linux</a>

Stephen Ramsay<a href="https://floss.social/@gisgeek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gisgeek</a> You know? I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't quite know what guix was about. I'm a 20+ year <a href="https://hcommons.social/tags/gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gentoo</a> user, so I haven't paid attention to Nix and all that. It does look reallly, really cool.

mgorny-nyan (he) :autism:🙀🚂🐧<a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@mgorny/114137227235533135" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://social.treehouse.systems/@mgorny/114137227235533135</a>Yes, they did it. <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/setuptools" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#setuptools</a> literally made lots of <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Python</a> packages (such as requests) explode, apparently in order to resolve a problem with their own test suite. Sure, that stuff has been deprecated for a long time. But as I've said multiple times, *nobody* sees these deprecation warnings.Well, unless they run <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a>, because we have literally the only Python package installer out there that catches and repeats setuptools deprecation warnings verbosely. But we don't have time to fix deprecations in upstream packages while upstreams are making sure to set up fires all over the place, all the time.<a href="https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/4910" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/4910</a><a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/packaging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#packaging</a>

Jons MostovojsClimate change nightmare, tech edition: <a href="https://social.doma.dev/tags/CI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CI</a> workflow using <a href="https://social.doma.dev/tags/Nix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Nix</a> on <a href="https://social.doma.dev/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> to fine-tune a <a href="https://social.doma.dev/tags/JVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#JVM</a> implementation of a <a href="https://social.doma.dev/tags/blockchain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#blockchain</a>-enabled <a href="https://social.doma.dev/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLM</a>.Thanks for inspiration, <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@faassen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@faassen</a>!

Markus Osterhoff<a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/Balkonsolar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Balkonsolar</a>, re-route all available power to <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a>'s emerge -DNu world

Cthulhu<a href="https://polymaths.social/@solusspider" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@solusspider</a> <a href="https://toot.wales/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> user. BTW, I'm still compiling the kernel.<a href="https://toot.wales/tags/Arch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Arch</a> user. BTW, I'm updating Arch.<a href="https://toot.wales/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Debian</a> user. BTW, I'm getting 💩 done.<a href="https://toot.wales/tags/gnulinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gnulinux</a> 😉

Da Linux beardudeAlright, I've updated the gentoo on the virtual machine. Now to add some seasonings that made my Arch Linux my dish.After the seasonings, I'll dd this to a blank plate and work from there. Then backup Arch Linux install (with dd of course), add some preservatives and refrigerateAnd then finally. I will commit the install to my main dishThis will probably take a day or two. I've done a lot on this almost 3 year old Arch install, but I'm gonna do this later. I'm hungry!<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gentoo</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/archlinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#archlinux</a>

Da Linux beardudeI think it's about time I ditched Arch Linux for Gentoo. Arch has gotten easier and I've gotten bored with it. Once I've settled to Gentoo, I'd have Void Linux scratch my "Arch Linux" itchI mean, I've already explored Linux distros with different inits. I don't think anything can stop me when I have Arch, Gentoo, and Artix wiki handy<a href="https://www.gentoo.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.gentoo.org/</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gentoo</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/archlinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#archlinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/arch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#arch</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/void" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#void</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/voidlinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#voidlinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/alpine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#alpine</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/alpinelinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#alpinelinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/chimeralinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chimeralinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/devuan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#devuan</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/artixlinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#artixlinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/s6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#s6</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/dinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dinit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/runit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#runit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/openrc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openrc</a>

Giuseppe Ranieri 🚁 :verified:Gentoo rebooted. Mi sono messo a resuscitare l'ultimo mio desktop auto costruito. La vecchia scheda video una GT8600 MSI passiva era moribonda, da sempre forse, il che rendeva il pc instabile. Sostituita con una GT710 é rinato.Gentoo reinstallata e visto che avevo fatto le cose a modo ho rimontato le sue partizioni boot e home.XFS on the rock.I suoi 17 anni se li porta bene!Batteria CMOS sostituita!<a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/RetroLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RetroLinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/backup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#backup</a>

Jakub Klawiter :mastodon:Już na samym początku (w 2019) musiałem coś w tym kompku zrobić źle, działa więc się nie przejmuję, ale w sumie o co ta jazda ze specjalną partycją EFI i czary mary jakieś jak on z jakiegoś powodu uznaje, ok nie masz jej tak? Spoko. Jedziemy dalej…Bo ja tak na prawdę to tę partycję mam tylko coś spaprałem i ona leży pusta chyba. No, a skoro działa, wiadomo… nie ruszać! :D<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/efi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#efi</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gentoo</a>

mgorny-nyan (he) :autism:🙀🚂🐧Some days I'm so tired of upstream developers being so adverse to downstream maintainers. Like, it's not just the ungratefulness — it's like completely neglecting the tons of work we're putting into keeping things working. And they literally rely on our work (unless they're running their own distribution).Yeah, sure, maybe you don't use <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a>. Maybe you use <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Debian</a>, or <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Fedora" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fedora</a>, or <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Arch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Arch</a>, or their derivates, or some other independent distribution. Does that mean that Gentoo work is insignificant? What if the developers of your distribution are facing exactly the same problem? And even if they weren't, does that mean that upstreams using Gentoo should become adverse to the distribution you're using?Yeah, sure, maybe you don't agree with one of our principles or another. Maybe you even are a Gentoo user, yet disagree with how Gentoo works. Well, even so, you're not the only Gentoo user out there. We're doing the best we can with what we have, and we're trying to make sure things work best for everyone in Gentoo. I'm not saying we're always right, but you really should have a good reason to despise all the work we've been doing.Yeah, sure, maybe you don't use distribution <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Python</a> packaging at all, maybe you despise it entirely and wish it would all be burned down to the ground in favor of everyone using wheels from <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/PyPI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PyPI</a>, or whatever. But guess what — there are people who actually find it advantageous, and benefit from it, and want to use it. And there are projects that simply don't work in that ecosystem at all, and need a better package manager. And we're here, for them.So, yeah, sure. Maybe you don't use the distribution I'm working on, nor any projects I'm working on. Maybe you disagree with me on every single principle, and don't see any purpose in any of my work. Maybe you will never use any of it. Maybe your friends or your family, or anyone you know or care about will even benefit from any of it. Still, there's a lot of people who do and who need this, and who are you to give them the digitus impudicus?<a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/FreeSoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeSoftware</a>

An Elbows-Up Sergal 🔪"Some say she's still compiling dev-qt/qtwebengine to this day..."<a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a>

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