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Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://hackers.town/@drwho" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@drwho</a> Shit like this makes me hate not just <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/snap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#snap</a> but <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@letsencrypt" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@letsencrypt</a> because that's more code than the entire backend for <a href="https://mastodon.social/@cacert" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@cacert</a> ...<ul><li>Seriously, there's no valid reason for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LetsEncrypt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LetsEncrypt</a> to take up more space than the <code>acme.sh</code> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CertBot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CertBot</a> scripts they made AND certainly not more than the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/API" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#API</a> for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CAcert" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CAcert</a> back in it's days...</li></ul>I think there needs to be more and harder pushes for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FrugalComputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FrugalComputing</a> because there's no valid reason they basically shove an entire <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OS</a> onto an existing one...<ul><li>And even if there was there shure as hell is none for something beyond the ~ 4 MB that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkroot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkroot</a> as a reference implementation of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/toybox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#toybox</a> requires...</li></ul>

OS/1337Tangents aside, people are free to create forks and even branches that include <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> or use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BusyBox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BusyBox</a>: That is the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Freedom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Freedom</a> of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FLOSS</a> and in fact for anything outside the 1440kB target we'd accept <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> since it works and solves a lot of issues... <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a>Granted OS/1337 isn't a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/demo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#demo</a> first but rather tries to take the concept of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tomsrtbt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tomsrtbt</a> and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@w84death" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@w84death</a> 's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Floppinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Floppinux</a> and tries to make it something that is useable and can be extended to arbitrary complexity if one desires to...It's about making a tiny <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> distro that is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/reproduceable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#reproduceable</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/auditable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#auditable</a>...It won't replace <a href="https://ubuntu.social/@ubuntu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ubuntu</a> or any other big distro, likely it won't even replace <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkroot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkroot</a> from <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/toybox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#toybox</a> but it should be a clean and level foundation for small <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IoT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IoT</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EmbeddedSystems" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EmbeddedSystems</a> projects and products...Something that is easy to build and customize and port to other platforms...And we're open for contributions: <a href="https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/blob/main/docu/ideas/architectures.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/blob/main/docu/ideas/architectures.tsv</a>

OS/1337Aside from "rebuilding under itself" which is on the roadmap, OS/1337 is close to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkroot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkroot</a>. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJkyMuBm3g&t=11m50s" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJkyMuBm3g&t=11m50s</a> (video via <a href="https://social.lfx.dev/@linuxfoundation" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@linuxfoundation</a> feat. <a href="https://mstdn.jp/@landley" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@landley</a> )Certainly not a drop-in replacement, but that's not the primary goal of it either. It would be nice, but it's not a strict necessity as of now...It's also not as cringe as using a botched Debian 8.2 shoved though OpenADK and left to marinade or rather rot for almost a decade on devices being deployed to customers... <a href="https://www.viprinet.com/en/support/downloads#viprinux" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.viprinet.com/en/support/downloads#viprinux</a>As of now, just running build.sh does build a working 1440kB floppy image that boots. <a href="https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/blob/main/scripts/build.sh" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/blob/main/scripts/build.sh</a>Tho there are still some issues I'm confident this will get some releaseable alpha version this year if not the first half of it... <a href="https://github.com/orgs/OS-1337/projects/1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/orgs/OS-1337/projects/1</a>Contributions to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OS1337" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OS1337</a> are welcome as well as feedback: Tho be mindful this is pre-alpha software so it may have a lot of rough and sharp edges that can hurt. <a href="https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/issues" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/issues</a>If one can test on physical hardware with ISA and/or PC/104 bus that would really help. Ideally use something like a Gotek <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SFR1M44" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SFR1M44</a> test with if your System's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BIOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BIOS</a> doesn't support USB-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Floppy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Floppy</a> emulation via an image file like some <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Vortex86" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Vortex86</a>-based SBCs. <a href="https://www.gotekemulator.com/P_view.asp?pid=57" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.gotekemulator.com/P_view.asp?pid=57</a> (Doesn't require <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Flash" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Flash</a> Floppy tho it's recommended! <a href="https://github.com/keirf/flashfloppy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/keirf/flashfloppy</a>)As of now, OS/1337 does boot, but has a lot of issues...But we're confident to get them addressed.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FLOSS</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSS</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Development" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Development</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/toybox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#toybox</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/distro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#distro</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@nixCraft" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@nixCraft</a> 5.2x <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/compression" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#compression</a> support for <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> & <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/initramfs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#initramfs</a> (<a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/SiliconValley" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SiliconValley</a>)...Because that'll basically allow me to shove <a href="https://mstdn.jp/@landley" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@landley</a> 's <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/mkroot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkroot</a> onto one 1440kB 3,5" FDD and get <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@OS1337" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@OS1337</a> with basically no shimming of the <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> Kernel and <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/toybox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#toybox</a>.Also it's likely the least absurd and most realistic "sci-fi tech" that is code and not completely absurd fantasy by virtue of requiring tons of <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Unobtanium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Unobtanium</a>...

Kevin Karhan :verified:It's not that I dislike <a href="https://mstdn.jp/@landley" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@landley</a> 's work and <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/mkroot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkroot</a> is propably the best starting point for <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/EmbeddedLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EmbeddedLinux</a> development and everyone who wants to DIY a minimalist <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> should check that out instead... <a href="https://landley.net/toybox/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://landley.net/toybox/</a>It's just that I intent OS/1337 to be a starting point for something wider in scope long-term than being the most frugally possible Linux that can compile itself and act as basis for the underlying <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/toybox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#toybox</a>/Linux that powers <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Android</a>.

Kevin Karhan :verified:Someone asked me in regards to OS/1337 "why don't you just use mkroot from <a href="https://mstdn.jp/@landley" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@landley</a> ?"<a href="https://landley.net/toybox/downloads/binaries/mkroot/latest/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://landley.net/toybox/downloads/binaries/mkroot/latest/</a>And that is a valid question.To sum it up: 1. <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/mkroot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkroot</a> for <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/i486" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#i486</a> requires 3MiB of storage and thus is not an option for the 1440kB target size of the current, minimalist system.2. shure I could instead make a <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Syslinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Syslinux</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/bootFloppy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#bootFloppy</a> but that feels like cheating...3. In the end the idea of OS/1337 is to build a <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/TUI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TUI</a>-based <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Desktop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Desktop</a> that can be built to run on everything.<a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/OS1337" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OS1337</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mstdn.social/@HopelessDemigod" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@HopelessDemigod</a> It's kinda an exercise on <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/FrugalComputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FrugalComputing</a> and <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/minimalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#minimalism</a>.Kinda going from <a href="https://mstdn.jp/@landley" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@landley</a> 's <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/mkroot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkroot</a> and working towards building something that is actually useable and not just some EoL tool (i.e. <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/tmsrtbt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tmsrtbt</a> / <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/TomsRootBoot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TomsRootBoot</a>) or a simple test of feasibility (i.e. <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Floppinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Floppinux</a> which uses <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/BusyBox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BusyBox</a> instead of <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/toybox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#toybox</a>).Imagine if we'd have OS/1337 in <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ROM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ROM</a>? Would not be as fast as <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/MSDOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MSDOS</a> but at least useable! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIEPqD4luG8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIEPqD4luG8</a><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/OS1337" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OS1337</a>

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