@Tattered

>> #Freedom that is rewriting school textbooks to erase ideas incompatible with Hindutva? As soon as you accept a few million deaths for a better world, you have become a monster.

You have pivoted away from whether accepting a #TwoStateSolution proposed by #UN for #BritishIndia as well as for #BritishMandate in #Palestine was better for all.

#Hindutva is a different monster.

#EcstasyAndAmnesia is #worthReading if you haven't read it already https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112441485737099304

@badrihippo

@Catawu @mcnado

>> I think you’re being sealioned by someone conveniently skipping over past & current history of Israel’s illegal occupation of Gaza.

See the many posts and long threads on my timeline regarding the conflict in the #MiddleEast, many of which are readily accessible through hashtags in my profile.

One of the best is #EcstasyAndAmnesia, based on a 3rd party essay that will keep you from "conveniently skipping over past & current history of Israel’s illegal occupation of Gaza."

@ajaykaul10

Yes, #Nasser was not just opposed to #Israel, he was ecstatic too.

See the hashtag #EcstasyAndAmnesia in which I summarized a very well researched essay by #ShanyMor on the situation in the #MiddleEast.

That essay is scholarly and somewhat long, but there is a link to the archived version of the full original essay in the thread itself.

The summary thread starts https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/113008125994370709

@ekis @Properganda @tartley @Lane @chiclet @GatekeepKen @nikatjef @Grant_M @CivilityFan

@janisf

>> 1 side always accuses other side of forgetting other's pain.

Do you acknowledge that #Israel acted in defense, and people have amnesia about #Hamas launching #Oct7?

>> We need to figure out a way forward

Yes

>> which means we need to first understand the pain

Yes, but even before that, we need to understand what caused it in the first place.

I read the piece you linked. Would you read #EcstasyAndAmnesia? Start here https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112441485737099304

@DarkMatterZine @kravietz @Nochem

#EcstasyAndAmnesia

@DarkMatterZine You have forgotten about #Hamas #Oct7, haven't you.

That is such quick amnesia, and it ALWAYS follows after every terrorist attack and war started by Hamas and #Palestinian factions

It is people like you who give them succor by forgetting who started a conflict and blaming #Israel for defending itself.

@kravietz @Nochem

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

>> In each of the 3 wars, #PalestinianCause was taken up in a larger global struggle : first, #WorldWarII, then #ColdWar, then #jihadist war against free societies

#TimingIsNoCoincidence

The looming #FourthCatastrophe for #Palestinians is also squarely placed in a larger #globalStruggle, and it is timed for #Election2024.

This time it’s the rise of #oligarchs and #fascists in #US & other liberal countries, #Russian #revanchism, & #China’s global ambitions.

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

A Fourth Catastrophe?

In the last three years, there has been every sign that another catastrophe was coming.

Read the whole essay.

It also tells you where the notion of #IsraeliApartheid came from and why #TimingIsNoCoincidence.

The conclusion is a clincher, regardless of which side of the #Israeli-#Palestinian conflict you are on.

Thanks to @toooobeeee for sharing such a deeply researched and though-provoking essay!

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

The #Arab-#Israeli conflict isn’t a normal conflict, and the cause of Arab #Palestine still isn’t a normal cause of national liberation.

The fundamental fact of this conflict, that one side believes the other’s #existence is a metaphysical crime for which a just resolution can only be #elimination, means that standard diplomatic practice is much harder to apply at best, and gets scrambled, inverted, and abused at worst

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

A global diplomatic edifice that keeps the #Palestinians in a permanent holding pattern of misery stemming from defeated #Arab war efforts, where the Palestinians themselves weren’t even always the central actors in the descent to war or the principal combatants who lost them, is unlike anything the international community has attempted in other conflicts.

#permanentStateOfWar #inTheirName

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

The common and deeper meaning to all was that #Israel’s enemies needed to be protected from the consequences of THEIR defeat in the wars THEY initiated and LOST.

It’s notable that this doesn’t seem to have happened in #Arab-#Israeli wars where #eliminationism didn’t feature in the rhetoric or the stated motivations—#Suez in 1956, #YomKippur in 1973, the #FirstIntifada wars in #Lebanon.

But it certainly happened in the wars that began in 1947, 1967, & 2000

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

It also, for that matter, further disincentivizes the stronger side from seriously engaging in any kind of mediation to begin with, because mere entry into negotiations could lead to a diminishment in what it gets out of a deal.

[And herein lies the explanation for those accusing #Israel of #politicalTheater and in never being serious about negotiations and settlement]

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

If one side of a conflict rejects a compromise, initiates a violent confrontation, and is defeated , no mediator of sound mind offers that side better terms next time around.

The reasons are obvious. It creates a new incentive for the losing side to keep rejecting compromise while removing the biggest disincentive from the table, namely that the move from mediation to arbitration or open confrontation carries the strong risk that the rejecting side will lose

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

If there is a bedrock principle of #conflictMediation it is that mediation seeks to arrive at a solution that is better for BOTH sides than what either side could hope to get from open confrontation.

This is true for warring states, for a divorcing couple, for labor and management, and for any other situation with competing claims and a possibility of forceful arbitration

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

The themes of this coordinated #Soviet effort—#Israel as an #apartheid state and an outpost of Western #imperialism, powerful #Jewish lobbies manipulating #American #foreignPolicy, and #Zionism as a form of #racism—outlived the #SovietUnion and may even be regarded as its largest intellectual contribution

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

Memories tend to exaggerate what actually happened:

#Israel was not yet a major recipient of #American aid or weaponry, and one of the #Arab belligerents, #Jordan, was decidedly not in the #Soviet camp.

But the war was experienced as a clash between a Western-aligned society and pro-Soviet anti-imperialist sphere.

The regime most responsible for the build-up to and outbreak of the war, #Nasser’s #Egypt, was also the one most closely associated with Moscow.

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

Decades after 1948, #Soviet propaganda would cast #Israel’s birth as a venture in #imperialism. But as the historian Jeffrey Herf’s 2022 book Israel’s Moment shows, it was #imperialists in Western governments who were most hostile to #Zionism, and anti-imperialists both in the Western left and #Communists and #socialists in both East and West who were most sympathetic.

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

In each of the 3 wars, the #Palestinian cause was taken up in a larger global struggle : first, #WorldWarII, then the #ColdWar, then the #jihadist war against free societies.

#Palestine has served as an excellent rallying cry for OTHERS [who only fight #inTheirName].

For #Palestinians, the result has never been good.

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

3 generations. 3 different wars. 3 different modes of combat. All 3 times, the wars were preceded by grandiloquent pronouncements and popular excitement as well as broad intellectual support. And all 3 times, as soon as or even before defeat appeared, the excitement and frenzy were excised from collective memory, so that the event came to be remembered as a case of pure cruelty by the hand of the Israeli other. That’s the #PalestinianPredicament in a nutshell