@Tutanota

#Waterfox and #floorp
As good firefox forks

@mauro Otoh i am officially #FUD-free.

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social Floorp is what I recommend to people, who insist on sticking with Firefox.

As you pointed out, the obvious, if Firefox goes, so will all these many Firefox clones, because none of them have expressed interest in hard-forking Firefox, and going independent.

But, Floorp has two advantages.

1) They do not break things. LibreWolf, will break something (often), then blame Firefox. Which only further hurts, Firefox, which in turn only hurts, LibreWolf. -- It is a snake eating its tail. I think the 1x Floorp broke something, they patched it right away, and they owned up to their issue. They did not try to pass the blame, as LibreWolf does.

2) Floorp is very similar to Vivaldi Browser. If Firefox, goes, it would be nice not to have a big learning curve, if you need to switch browsers. If you've learned Floorp, you've more or less learned, Vivaldi, in many ways.

These are two things, I believe can help users in the long run.

#Floorp #Firefox #Mozilla #MozillaFirefox

@fnwbr And yet, here i be, revelling in the delightful UX that is my , with all the #telemetry disabled, the #AI disabled, numerous other parameters hardened via my #userJS, with the exquisite #Sidebery & its infinitely-nestable tree-tabs & multiple #Workspaces on its LHS, & the brilliant project #FirefoxSecondSidebar with my 21 #WebPanels on its RHS. It's such a great daily browsing UX, unfazed by the last ten days of global #FUD [all the so-called nasties can be disabled, either via simple clicks in the Settings UI, or otherwise via about:config / user.js]. Herd-mentality is a ridiculous trait of humans.

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@eknobl Also, the native #TabGroups have been working well for several weeks in , & in my recent testing they also now seem to have become reliable in . The whole native #VerticalTabs UI ootb has ridiculous amounts of padding per tab, such that a stupidly small number of tabs can be open before invoking the scrollbar... i fixed this via some #CSS. The one remaining major design paradigm i dislike is that the tab groups are primitive like in Vivaldi & Chromium, ie, only single-level; no hierarchical trees are possible. Hence, even though the new VTs & TGs are aesthetically pleasing & quite usable, i still keep returning to Sidebery.

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@lecroix74 which is what I'm saying. #Waterfox and #LibreWolf should combine into #Waterwolf...

Imagine a new effort and interest in actually adding missing #W3C standards in #Firefox and fully decamping from whatever the heck Mozilla currently wants to do.

Then other forks like the #ZenBrowser or #Floorp can then take a hard look into using this fork instead, forming a more secure and stable migration path - if all goes well.

@TheJen If you like the Vivaldi UI, #floorp might be another thing to try...

In any case, I think the whole "we can't just have one browser" argument has been put to bed, and arguably #Mozilla isn't the only one still implementing the #gecko engine.

I hope to see a fork between various vendors, that #librewolf, #zenbrowser, #floorp and others cross swords, and with these powers combined make #mozilla regret their decision to abandon libre principles.

The engine isn't bad. I think it's pretty good... just maybe they could update the standards for it :3 plz?

We see that we do have options, that we may have many #browsers, but only a few #browserengines.

Wether you're using #Vivaldi, #Opera or #Brave, it's the #Blink engine.

If it's any of the free browsers made for #Gnome or #Plasma, or #Safari for #Mac and #iOS, it's #WebKit.

#zenbrowser, #librewolf and #floorp are based on #firefox (or the gecko engine) and are safe refuge for people defecting from Firefox.