@signalapp I disagree because your platform is #proprietary, #SingleVendor, #SingleProvider and doesn't allow for #SelfHosting, #SelfCustody of all the Keys and you demand #PII in the form of a #PhoneNumber which can be used.to track users down!
@Mik3y @samhainnight @karlauerbach @alex_p_roe @Nonilex not to mention all the #GAFAMs and #TechBros who get to know that #CloudAct means they'll have to integrate more #Govware #Backdors and enable #BulkSurveillance or get shut down & jailed faster than they can say #EncroChat or #SkyECC...
Yes indeed, former 
Defence Secretary. And law enforcement/intelligence agencies use those tools too (see #Encrochat in particular.) So exactly what data is it the cops/spooks can’t get access to due to Apple’s #ADP? #TCN https://x.com/BenWallace70/status/1893936296747221279
Also the blatant dismissal of absolitely basic #OpSec & #ComSec is just flabberghasting.
Only #decentralized, #OpenSource & #OpenStandards can actuall survive long-term and remain #secure.
It's the same reasons we use #PGPG/MIME & #SSH and not #X400 & #X25!
IOW: Think "How can you weaponize Signal?" and see what you csn do just holding key people in contempt...
The less #info a provider has, the less they can be forced to snitch upon customers.
"#JustUseSgnal!" is a form of dangerous "#TechPopulism" aimed at bamboozling #TechIlliterates who don't know better, abusing information asymetry to pull rank instead of investing the time and effort to *explain "how" and "why" this is indeed a good or bad idea.
The only ones that have a chance to beat that are @delta / #deltaChat but that's just #PGP/MIME #eMail in a nice UI...
Überraschung zum Wochenende: Berliner Richterin entschied, das die verschlüsselten Chats bei der EncroChat-Aktion nicht als Beweismittel gelten dürfen. Freispruch für den Angeklagten, satte Niederlage für das BKA.
https://taz.de/Verschluesselte-Chats-und-Strafverfolgung/!6060800
@zdl @evacide that any the fact that @signalapp is incorportated in the #USA, making them susceptible to #GDPR & #BDSG-incompatible #cyberfacist bs like #CloudAct.
Remember: #KYC IS THE ILLICIT ACTIVITY when it comes to #Communication!
Compare that to @monocles / #monoclesChat which don't demand any PII or KYC and allow people to pay for their services with #Monero and #CashByMail besides #SEPA #WireTransfer, #Stripe & #PayPal whilst supporting both decentralization (#XMPP is not a #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider solution!), implementing real #SelfCustody (#OMEMO, #OTR & #PGP is supported out of the box) for all the keys, and proper #Anonymitiy (using @torproject / #Tor & @guardianproject #Orbot for #privacy), so in case they ever get a duely sumitted warrant by a court they'd have to comply with, they'll most likely have no data whatsoever on clients that could allow identification.
Also having no PII is a matter of reducing #liabiluty in the sense of #DataProtection: All data requested and by #monocles is the bare minimum mandated for #accounting...
@CCC Das wird dem Wüst aber nix nützen, denn sie können nix anfangen, mit den Daten. Der einzige Grund für den Irrsinn ist, dass die Polizei zu langsam ist. Das ist sie, weil sie im Verfahrensirrsinn gefangen ist. (zertifiziert in 3facher Ausfertigung).
Anstatt positive Lehren aus #Encrochat zu ziehen, kommen die Herren Ahnungslos mit der Überwachungsgiesskanne, die ihnen von irgendwelchen Appartschiks eingeflüstert werden.
Das Risiko für Demokratie wird erhöht ohne wirklichen Gegenwert.
Trotz großem Ermittlungserfolg floriert der Drogenhandel in Europa
Der Hack des Kryptohandy-Anbieters EncroChat vor vier Jahren galt als großer Schlag gegen die organisierte Kriminalität - vor allem gegen den Drogenhandel. Doch es gibt Zweifel an der Nachhaltigkeit des Ermittlungserfolgs. Von M. Seekamp.
Bundesverfassungsgericht erklärt EncroChat-Datennutzung für zulässig
Bereits vor zwei Jahren hatte der Bundesgerichthof entschieden: EncroChat-Daten dürfen in deutschen Strafprozessen genutzt werden. Jetzt hat auch das Bundesverfassungsgericht eine Verfassungsbeschwerde dagegen abgewiesen. Von Max Bauer.
This goes back to the Trojan Horse & its warning.
Yes, making a horse that soldiers can hide in and then spring out of is ingenious.
But it’s useless unless you can make your enemy accept the thing you’ve primed. Coordinated & wholesale.
And orgs should know better.
See also: cops using EncroChat to catch whole drug dealing and organised crime networks.
I mean come on people.
#Encrochat #Cybersecurity
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/04/24/crooks-mistaken-bet-on-encrypted-phones
@GrapheneOS It doesn't change the fact that #security requires #transparency and thus full access & reproduceability from source.
To give you a good example, source-available #Tarsnap demonstrates that stuff is truly securely encrypted by enabling #SelfCustody of keys and thus show they can't decrypt anything!
"Just use A, B, C & D, E, F" is the real threat as it sugfests people a false sense if security.
Collecting any #PII IS the illicit activity NO MATTER the excuse...
Sooner or later the #Enshittification of #Signal will reach a point where you'd rethink and consider apologizing...
@GrapheneOS @signalapp I didn't say all of them have it...
Re: #Signal I'd not consider it #disinfo as we've seen more elaborate Setups like #EncroChat & #ANØM fall.
Given the fact that one cannot #SelfHost #Signal's backend, they shilled the #MobileCoin #scam and use #PII like #PhoneNumbers to enforce 'selective availability' as well being incorporated in the #USA all rubs be unpleasantly...
"The" correct way to do things (sarcasm OFC!) is to do #OfflinePGP but we can all agree it's not practical...
I remember when #Signal did a good #E2EE Messenger (#TextSecure) and that had a reason to use #PhoneNumbers as it merely encrypted #SMS, but that OFC has other issues.
@GrapheneOS I think both apps are shit as *both #Telegram and @signalapp demand #PII in the form of #PhoneNumbers.
OFC Telegram is (by my personal observation) almost exclusively being used by #Scammers and other #TechIlliterate criminals.
@EUCourtPress's decision on the #Encrochat case was a missed opportunity to protect the fundamental rights to #privacy & #DataProtection.
Read the legal analysis of the decision, co-authored by Hugo Partouche & @edri's @chlobemy, published by @StevePeers 
https://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2024/07/mass-hacking-and-fundamental-rights.html
The French version of this article is available to read in the June 2024 edition of AJ PÉNAL.
@leitmedium ich halte das für Geschwätz seitens @signalapp und @Mer__edith im speziellen, weil die sich bisher nirgendwo zurückgezogen haben.
Ich garantiere dir dass wenn mit Beugehaft bedroht jede*r bei Signal deren User doxxed - so wie's VPN-Anbieter taten und tun.
Wenn Signal wirklich auf #Sicherheit und #Privatsphäre fokussiert wäre, dann hätten diese einfach nen #XMPP + #OMEMO - Server im @torproject / #Tor - Netzwerk aufgezogen und auch das gesamte #Backend #dezentralisiert!
EuGh erlaubt grundsätzlich Beweise aus Encrochats vor Gericht
Tausende Festnahmen, Beschlagnahmungen in Millionenhöhe - alles dank Beweisen aus der Überwachung von Encrochat-Kryptohandys. Der Europäische Gerichtshof hat nun zur Verwendung dieser Daten vor deutschen Gerichten geurteilt. Von Max Bauer.
The #UK is a #cyberfacist hellhole and the fact that people didn't pitchfork the UK government into was/were when it was enacting these injustices means they've been groomed into accepting that shite with disinfo, FUD and fearmongering...
Not that it changes the fact that the UK has more organozed crime than ever - it's just rich assholes committing white collar crimes that are the problem...
Tho the argument of organized crime being idiots is exemplified by #EncroChat and #ANØM...
And now you know why I'm not into tmorganized crime: I'm "cursed" being too smart to to bs... ^
Things that #UK still exchanges data about and works alongside #EU post #Brexit
* #weather forecasting and monitoring (including climate research)
* #RoadSafety and traffic regulations
* #drugs prohibition (during EU membership UK was viewed as a source of good practice, especially for testing of drug use by drivers)
* law enforcement and #surveillance in general (consider the fallout from #Encrochat )
so the gammons have gained exactly 0 extra freedoms, and are even angrier..
One of the key leaders of #EncroChat extradited to #France with the support of #Eurojust
source: https://www.eurojust.europa.eu/news/one-key-leaders-encrochat-extradited-france-support-eurojust
> … supplying or transferring a cryptologic device without integrity control or prior declaration to the authorities.
Did you know that a cryptographic device could be illegal? Doesn’t that apply to almost every good messenger that you can easily download?
#EncroChat saga continuation:
The Belgian court on Monday started hearing cases of more than 120 people charged with drug and arms trafficking, extortion, acts of torture and attempted murder. It’s one of the country’s biggest trials ever — not just due to its scale but also because it’ll test investigators’ daredevilish methods of hacking encrypted communications services and siphoning off droves of data that were then used as evidence to charge drug networks spanning the European continent.
History:
In July 2020, French and Dutch authorities unveiled how they had been able to obtain more than 100 million messages from EncroChat, a “cryptophone” company selling encrypted communication services and devices that were used by criminal networks, many of which were involved in drug trafficking and organized crime.
Less than a year later the French, Belgian and Dutch authorities added an even larger scalp to their efforts to crack open encrypted comms when they disclosed that a similar service, Sky ECC, had been infiltrated. Police have been able to monitor the information flow of approximately 70,000 users from that operation and, with the help of Europe’s law enforcement agency Europol, started a gargantuan effort of decrypting the data and opening investigations.
